Thursday, June 07, 2007

Labour must re-offer Plaid a formal deal

Adam Price the Senior Plaid Cymru MP has called upon Welsh Labour to re-offer Plaid a Red-Green Coalition (here and here) and there is a serious case for Welsh Labour to offer such an agreement to Plaid Cymru and go into a red-green coalition, and the reasons for which are the following:

Firstly the current minority government, going along with 'progressive agreements' is unsustainable, Labour cannot keep saying to the opposition, "here we will do this for you, by the way here is our backside give it a kick while you at it" because sooner or later they will kick it hard enough to get Labour out of the door and into opposition, and would end up damaging how electable Welsh Labour is for quite a while. It is also even more important that we get a working consensus in the Assembly, Wales cannot cope with an unstable government that could fall at any moment, it would not be good for the people of Wales, nor will it be good for Welsh democracy. A struggling government trotting along for months with an opposition just waiting to get the boot in, is very, very bad for the governance of Wales, and would be the fault of both Welsh Labour and the current opposition parties, and the Welsh public shouldn’t forgive any of them, if they were to allow this farce to go ahead, like it is at the moment.

Another reason why Labour needs to team up with Plaid, is because it would be the best thing to get a radical, centre-left and hopefully socialist agenda on the cards. This would have to include getting a full-law making parliament, like the one Scotland has. This is because the current Assembly’s powers is too limited to make any real impact on fighting poverty and inequality in Wales. A full-law making parliament however would give Wales the ability to make serious measures to bring more social justice, fairness and equality to Wales. However a full-law making parliament in Wales should only be an ‘end to a means’ (more social justice), rather then Plaid’s means to a end (independence). Plaid should no-longer be seen as the enemy, or as an reactionary nasty nationalist party, but as an ally in the cause of making Wales a progressive nation.

There is also the case that, if Labour attempt to conduct a coalition deal with Plaid, in an open, honest, serious and fair manner, willing to listen and concede on many issues with Plaid, all talks must be done as openly as possible. This way we could put the ball in Plaid’s court. Plaid would have to show their hand, they would either have to come into a coalition with Welsh Labour, or turn around and admit that they want power for themselves, and don’t even want to listen seriously to what Labour have to offer (if the latter is indeed what Plaid want.) However if that is to work, Welsh Labour would have to give Plaid no real excuse to turn down the deal, and do anything reasonably possible from Labour’s end.

The way forward for Wales is Red-Green coalition with Plaid, that would give Wales what they really voted for in the Assembly elections, and would bring Wales forward into a modern and mature democracy, with the radical ideas and progressive values to improve the value of life for everyone in Wales.

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6 Comments:

At 7:59 pm , Blogger gwe said...

Hi Geraint, first things first - I'm a Plaid member and I support such a coaltion, but from my own purely subjective observations unfortunately I don't think there's a mass of support for this at the moment - see my blog. I hope I'm wrong.

Anyway, here are a few thoughts on your post:

"Wales cannot cope with an unstable government that could fall at any moment,"

What worries me as much as the 'unstable' tag is that a series of ad hoc agreements is hardly the basis for any coherent programme.

"A full-law making parliament however would give Wales the ability to make serious measures to bring more social justice, fairness and equality to Wales. "

I think we can safely say that we're ALL agreed on that. It's the next bit that will lead to disagreement:

"However a full-law making parliament in Wales should only be an ‘end to a means’ (more social justice), rather then Plaid’s means to a end (independence)."

That is not for any one party to decide - that lies solely in the hands of the people of Wales. Having said that, I'm not even sure a referendum on full law-making powers would succeed - at the moment. That's not to say that in twenty or thirty years' time - once a parliament has been established - there might be appetite for futher measures. Who knows what the UK will be like in twenty years' time - England might well have a parliament of its own, Scotalnd might be 'independent' within Europe and Northern Ireland might have severed ties as well!!

 
At 9:33 pm , Blogger Geraint said...

Gwe, I agree with that ad hoc agreements being worrying too. I also agree that it is up to the people of Wales to decide on independence, What I meant was that Labour should not be the party that persues independence, that is up to Plaid.

However, if Plaid become the largest party, then I do not believe that Labour, or any other party should stand in the way of an independence referendum (nor should they in Scotland.) No party should be scared of a referendum on independence. (Didn't the Lib Dems in Scotland not go with the SNP because they claimed there no support for independence?)

As for having full-law making powers, holding a referendum when it is going to fail will not help devolution, and it be fool hardy for one to be held if it is going to fail.

 
At 12:45 am , Blogger gwe said...

"As for having full-law making powers, holding a referendum when it is going to fail will not help devolution, and it be fool hardy for one to be held if it is going to fail."

Indeed. That's what I said :)

I quote: " Having said that, I'm not even sure a referendum on full law-making powers would succeed - at the moment."

I am worried that people are assuming we would win a referendum. In order for this to happen I think the Assembly's new powers must be PERCEIVED by ordinary people to make a real difference. And, I know this will anger some of my party colleagues, for better or worse we need the Labour Party on board if it's to be held 4 years from now. In eight years, perhaps the political climate will be diffewrent again, who knows...

 
At 4:25 pm , Blogger Clear Red Water said...

Too much of Plaid's agenda focuses on the nationalist agenda that people in the political bubble think are important. Labour must not get drawn into a new welsh language act, we must attack Plaid's belief that child poverty has to come with independence. People dont want a nationalist agenda, if the staunchest nationalist will accept independence is a non issue.

Labour needs to get back to being Labour- social justice, fairness and equality without a nationalist backdrop.

 
At 6:43 pm , Anonymous Anonymous said...

looks like that will happen!

 
At 4:22 pm , Blogger Ted Jones said...

well argued

 

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